The Great Tribulation is the time Jesus warned of as Jacob‘s trouble (Jer. 30:7), the ending of the age, (Rev. 6-19 Matt. 24; 25.70) and the week is a day of the Lord of Daniel (Dan. 9:27, Thess. 5:2).
· Preterism means fulfilled eschatology, the belief that the date, 70 AD, that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 was all fulfilled. The Tribulation teaching is in reference to the rapture and resurrection of the saints.
· Pre-tribulation. This view believes that the Church will not go through the tribulation but will be raptured away to heaven, and the Tribulation is specifically to break the will of Israel and save them as a nation, as well as to have the world repent because of the judgments found in the book of Revelation.
· Mid-tribulation refers to a mid seventieth-week rapture. The church will be taken out before the Great Tribulation which occurs when the Antichrist goes into the Temple and declares himself God approximately 1,260 days before Christ comes back.
· Post-tribulation believes that Christ will come back at the end of the Tribulation and those who remain alive through it are raptured. There are four views within this position as well: Classic, semi-classic, futurist, and dispensational.
· Partial-rapture subscribes that only those who are watching, waiting, and are making themselves prepared will go.
· Pre-rapture-wrath is a three-fourths view that believes the church will go through much of the tribulation to purify and perfect the bride.
Thanks for the terms,however,the phrase The Great Tribulation is not actually found in scripture…The phrase [The Great Tribulation]is only used in the modern English translations…The Lord Jesus said great tribulation,Matthew 24:21.The Apostle John said great tribulation,Revelation 7:14.All of the modern English translations would have us to believe that the tribulation last’s for seven years,or one week,see Daniel 9:26,27.This was designed,to fit that false teaching called the pre-tribulation rapture.This teaching has and does lead so many to believe that the saved will not go through the tribulation,but will spend seven years in Heaven with the Lord before he returns… Which causes many believers to be lax and unprepared.To look for signs of the coming tribulation,instead of being sober minded.How can we allow the Lord to prepare and keep us through the tribulation,if we do not believe that we will go through it? All of the modern English translations that we have today, save the New King James version,says [The Great tribulation]…However,the King James version and all the English translations before it says [great tribulation] without the use of the definite article [The]… The pre-trib rapture theory or rumor is believed to have been started around 1830 or so,long after the King James version was translated.See for yourself,take a look at these English translations… Tyndale, Coverdale, Matthew,Great and Bishops… All of these versions pre-date the King James version or AV 1611.
Just a side note…The Lord Jesus’ministry lasted for over three years,during this time he did confirm the New Covenant that the Father had made with the Nation of Israel.[only God can make a Covenant with mankind.The antichrist could only make a treaty]… Next,the Lord Jesus died at twighlight,which means that half of that day was gone.He lay in the earth for three days and three nights…That is,three consecutive Sabbath days,sundown to sundown… Perhaps the first three and a half years or days are already fulfilled and we have only three and a half [42 months]left…
The Great Tribulation? The “great pumpkin” is just as valid-lol!
Yes, you are correct there is no “The Great Tribulation” in Greek Scripture, which we will explore when we get to the passages in Revelation that allegedly deals with them…
However, this list is abridged definitions not affirmations….good thoughts and be blessed!
Respectfully, altogether too much is made of the use of the definite article in Revelation chapter 7. An ad homonym attack on terminology is as unproductive here as it is in objections to trinitarianism. No view of “the” tribulation depends on or even is informed by Rev 7:14. “Tribulationism” holds to a specific period of extreme tribulation occurring at the eschaton. As the original post indicates, the idea is not derived from Rev 7, but primarily from the Olivet discourse, “For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.” Christ speaks of a specific, never-to-be-repeated, worst-of-all-time tribulation, hence the term “The – Great – Tribulation” (regardless of when and how long it is, or whether Rev 7:14 refers to it).
Also, to say that pre-tribbers have corrupted this verse in translations since the KJV is baseless. They didn’t invent the term anyway. People believed in “the great tribulation” long before the invention of a pre-trib rapture (or the KJV). A cursory review of the people listed as translators, editors, and reviewers of the modern translations will quickly dispel the idea that they are dominantly pre-tribbers. Let’s stick to real evidence.
Ok then David,i agree with your point.The Lord did speak of an unpresidented time of tribulation.However,your being a Christian,i would have thought that the “real” evidence of it,for you that is,of “the great tribulation” would have only come from the scriptures.Not from the beliefs and writings of men,who were and are not necessarily pre-tribbers,but were and are dispensationalist’s.Like yourself?
David,i made the mistake when i mentioned Matthew 24:21 in my first post,as refering to the coming unpresidented tribulation… Here in the Olivet discourse the Lord is speaking to his disciples of the coming destruction of Jerusalem and of the temple that was standing in his day… This has nothing at all to do with Revelation 7:14.So i should not have used those passages together to make my point. However,Daniel 9:26 does speak of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple…I also will apoligize for assuming that you are a dispensationalist,i dont even know you…I do not label myself a preterist,yet i do believe that this is what both the Lord Jesus and Daniel were speaking of.You see David there can be no dicotomy between the church and believing Israel,for we are one and the same body.So i do not believe that the coming tribulation is specifically meant as a time of trouble for unbelieving Israel,but for the whole unbelieving world.I believe that the time of Jacob’s trouble has already past… See Matthew 22:7 and Luke 19:43,44 and finally Luke 21:20-24… Gentiles trodding underfoot the Holy Land,Killing,destroying the city and most of all that temple,is the abomination of desolation to the Jews… David,God made the New Covenant with the Jews and the Lord Jesus confirmed it with them.We Gentiles were grafted in… I believe that it will be believing Jews that will be leading and strengthening the world in faith in Christ Jesus,during the tribulation.See Daniel 11:32-35.
In verse 14 we read: … These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
First of all there is the expression, ‘great tribulation’. Is that just a term describing the normal tribulation that all humans face in their lifetime or a specific one? The Greek Interlinear has the ‘literal’ Greek text translated to the English as: “These are the (ones) coming out of the great tribulation;”. Notice the ‘tense’ of the verb is ‘present’, and a ‘participle’ in Greek grammar, which makes the verb ‘are coming’. In addition, the ‘definite article’ “the” is present in the Greek (#3588 = the, this, that, these …) making the phrase complete as, “the great tribulation”. The presence of the ‘definite article’ prevents any assumption that this verse is alluding to the entire 6,000 years of mankind on the planet, thus reducing the potential number of the ‘great multitude’ significantly!
So John is looking at a group of people who are just ‘coming out of’ the great tribulation. Since John is in vision ‘in’ the Day of the Lord time frame, we might conclude that whomever this group is, John is seeing this group around the time of the ‘end’, or ‘end time’. But so as not to assume anything, let’s see if there is a group of people in Bible prophecy that will be coming out of ‘the great tribulation’ during the Day of the Lord timeframe.
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (This ‘great tribulation’ is the worst one in the entire history of Israel. It could certainly be ‘the’ great tribulation as it is the greatest of all other tribulations. We know it is a reference to Israel from the full context of the chapter. Remember that the disciples were asking about the timing involved for when the ‘kingdom’ of Israel would be reinstated per Old Testament prophecies. Much of modern theology has overlooked the original intent of the disciple’s questions and perspective, and therefore Jesus’ answer, in favor of placing the ‘church’ as the center of prophecy. This had led to much misunderstanding of prophecy, especially as it concerns Matthew 24. See the article, “The Actual Message of Matthew 24” for a look into this subject.)
Jeremiah 30:5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. 6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. (This is in the ‘end time’ and it is the worst time of trouble ever for Jacob (Israel). It is ‘the’ Great Tribulation of Matthew 24, which is also upon Israel (other scriptures show that Judah and Israel both go into this massive national tribulation before the Day of the Lord and are freed just as the Day of the Lord is about to begin). See our articles, “The Time After Jacob’s Trouble”, “The Actual Message of Matthew 24” and “The Great Judgment Day”. Also, notice that Israel is ‘saved out of’ this tribulation, which means to be saved from dying in the great tribulation. The nation of Israel is kept from extinction!)
PRETRIB RAPTURE – HIDDEN FACTS !
How can the “rapture” be “imminent”? Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven (He is now there with the Father) “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. Since Jesus must personally participate in the rapture, and since He can’t even leave heaven before the tribulation ends, the rapture therefore cannot take place before the end of the trib! Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) (which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening – Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who would be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the posttrib end of “death” (15:54)! (Will death be ended before or during the trib?) If anyone wonders how long pretrib rapturism has been taught, he or she can Google “Pretrib Rapture Diehards.” Many are unaware that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 it was stretched forward and turned into a separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which the mass of evangelical scholars rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” [“gathering”] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Other Google articles throwing light on long-covered-up facts about the 178-year-old pretrib rapture view include “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “X-Raying Margaret,” “Revisers of Pretrib Rapture History,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Pretrib Rapture Desperados” and “Deceiving and Being Deceived” – all by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” which is available at Armageddon Books online. Just my two cents’ worth. Todd
Hi Sam.
I cannot tell how happy i am that i returned to this page! I read the articles starting with “The actual message of Matthew 24″… I also saw Greek# 3588 in my Strong’s concordance…” The Great Tribulation” So it is. Being so wrong for so long makes me humble and happy… I think now i should just work on my walk with the Lord… Israel,God’s elect,wow! That makes me happy though… Although i am not sure which church i should attend now,not everyone loves Israel that way you know… I’ll just pray about it guess …. Sorry David, Sorry biblicaleschatology, for all that “stuff'” i wrote. I was wrong and way out of my league …
Thanks again Sam
Delores…
The NEWEST Pretrib Calendar
Hal (serial polygamist) Lindsey and other pretrib-rapture-trafficking and Mayan-Calendar-hugging hucksters deserve the following message: “2012 may be YOUR latest date. It isn’t MAYAN!” Actually, if it weren’t for the 179-year-old, fringe-British-invented, American-merchandised pretribulation rapture bunco scheme, Hal might still be piloting a tugboat on the Mississippi. roly-poly Thomas Ice (Tim LaHaye’s No. 1 strong-arm enforcer) might still be in his tiny folding-chair church which shares its firewall with a Texas saloon, Jack Van Impe might still be a jazz band musician, Tim LaHaye might still be titillating California matrons with his “Christian” sex manual, Grant Jeffrey might still be taking care of figures up in Canada, Chuck Missler might still be in mysterious hush-hush stuff that rocket scientists don’t dare talk about, John Hagee might be making – and eating – world-record pizzas, and Jimmy (“Bye You” Rapture) Swaggart might still be flying on a Ferriday flatbed! To read more details about the eschatological British import that leading British scholarship never adopted – the import that’s created some American multi-millionaires – Google “Pretrib Rapture Diehards” (note LaHaye’s hypocrisy under “1992”), “Hal Lindsey’s Many Divorces,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers)” and “Thomas Ice (Hired Gun),” “LaHaye’s Temperament,” “Wily Jeffrey,” “Chuck Missler – Copyist,” “Open Letter to Todd Strandberg” and “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “X-Raying Margaret,” “Humbug Huebner,” “Thieves’ Marketing,” “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal,” “The Unoriginal John Darby,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “The Real Manuel Lacunza,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Pretrib Rapture – Hidden Facts,” “Dolcino? Duh!” and “Scholars Weigh My Research.” Most of the above is written by journalist/historian Dave MacPherson who has focused on long-hidden pretrib rapture history for 35+ years. No one else has focused on it for 35 months or even 35 weeks. MacPherson has been a frequent radio talk show guest and he states that all of his royalties have always gone to a nonprofit group and not to any individual. His No. 1 book on all this is “The Rapture Plot” (see Armageddon Books online, etc.). The amazing thing is how long it has taken the mainstream media to finally notice and expose this unbelievably groundless yet extremely lucrative theological hoax!
In my opinion the post-tribulation rapture theory is the most accurate of the current rapture theories. It is probably the closest theory there is to a new theory which places the rapture about one-year earlier. It is called the Pre-seventh-year rapture theory. Yet, it is also a post-great tribulation rapture theory. Want to know how? Check it out at pre-seventhllc.blogspot.com
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Yes, the pre-seventh-year rapture theory is actually a post-great tribulation rapture theory. The Bible never says when great tribulation will end. The assumption that the day of the Lord will begin when the seven years we call the tribulation ends, and that great tribulation will NOT end until the seventieth week of Daniel ends is not biblically accurate.
For one reason; the seventy weeks of Daniel 9:24 can not end until sin has ended. Also the day of the Lord comes with wrath and fierce anger, and when it comes He will destroy the sinners out of it (Isaiah 13:9). In Zephaniah 1:14-16 we also find that the day of the Lord comes with wrath, and it is the day of the trumpet.
From the time wrath begins until those seven years ends, there are periods of time that must be accounted for. Men being torment five months (Revelation 9:5), and seven months of burying the dead (Ezekiel 39:14) followed by Armageddon (Ezekiel 39:17-20). Therefore it is likely that wrath and the rapture will occur near the end of the sixth year and near the beginning of the seventh year.
There are many other prophecies that led to these same conclusions; but, this also has to remain theory just as does all the other rapture theories. May God’s richest blessings be with you always.